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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">All science would only be the satisfaction of idle curiosity if it did not strive to increase the value of the human personality. The true value of science comes only from a presentation of the human significance of its results. The final aim of the individual cannot be the ennoblement of a single soul faculty, but the development of all the faculties slumbering within us. Knowledge has value only in that it contributes to the all-round development of the whole human nature.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The [[laws of nature]] describe the one-sided [[spatial]] and [[temporal]] order of cosmic events, which is only a shadowy revelation of the much more comprehensive spiritual world order, which also includes a moral dimension. Examples of elementary laws of nature are the [[w:law of inertia|law of inertia]], the [[w:law of gravitation|law of gravitation]], [[w:Maxwell's equations|Maxwell's equations]] of [[w:electrodynamics|electrodynamics]], the [[w:theory of relativity|theory of relativity]], the [[w:quantum theory|quantum theory]], and so on.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This spiritual character of the laws of nature is also emphasised by many physicists. For example, the quantum chemist [[w:Walter Heitler|Walter Heitler]] writes:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{Quote|A mathematically formulated law is something spiritual. We can call it that because it is human spirit that recognises it. The term spirit may not be very popular today, when an exuberant materialism and positivism is doing its sometimes quite nasty blossoms. But for this very reason we must be clear about what natural law and knowledge of nature is. Nature therefore follows this non-material spiritual element, the law. Consequently, spiritual elements are also anchored in nature itself. Among these is the mathematics necessary to formulate the law, even high and supreme mathematics. On the other hand, the researcher who is gifted to make a discovery is able to penetrate this very spiritual element that pervades nature. And here the connection between the human, discerning spirit and the transcendent elements existing in nature becomes apparent. We see the matter best if we use the Platonic mode of expression, although Plato did not yet know this kind of natural law. According to this, natural law would be an archetype, an "idea" - in the sense of the Greek word eidea - which nature follows and which man can perceive. This is then what is called the idea. Through this archetype, man is connected with nature. Man, who can perceive it, nature, which follows him as a law.|[[w:Walter Heitler|Walter Heitler]]|''Naturwissenschaft ist Geisteswissenschaft'', p. 14f.}}</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Heitler, like Werner Heisenberg and Erwin Schrödinger, also invoked the Platonic theory of ideas. Particularly in his work ''Die Natur und das Göttliche'' (Nature and the Divine), he also addressed a broad readership. From his Christian conviction, it was a central concern of his to uncover relationships between the physical world of experience and the metaphysical world of revelation on the basis of texts from the [[w:Old Testament|Old]] and [[w:New Testament|New Testament]]s. From his point of view [[natural science]] is [[spiritual science]].</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">We now come to a central question. The world of transcendence obviously possesses contents of no small intelligence. Even in the field of mathematics and physics, we will be far from being able to claim that we already know the full measure of this intelligence and have made it accessible to us. When we shall speak of biological facts and processes in the next chapter, we shall get an inkling of how much deeper our intellect is, even at its best, than the "intelligence", or rather wisdom, that is present in the structure of living organisms. One will hardly be able to avoid the question where this wisdom or intelligence comes from. Has it simply existed from eternity? Or who devised these laws? Our biological knowledge points to evolution. Should it be different with physics, should its laws have applied since eternity? We will see that this is hardly conceivable, that these laws also came into being once. Many researchers, especially in past decades and centuries, have spoken of a divine creation as a matter of course. The world of transcendence that we recognise is the creation of an infinitely superior divine spirit. The primordial ground from which all being flowed is the spirit which we call God because of its inconceivable greatness.|[[w:Walter Heitler|Walter Heitler]]|Die Natur und das Göttliche, p. 39f}}</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The moderate realism of ideas advocated by [[Thomas Aquinas]] clearly resonates here. Thomas had distinguished between [[universals]] that are formed in divine reason and exist before the individual things (''universalia ante rem''), universals that exist as generalities in the individual things themselves (''universalia in re'') and universals that exist as concepts in the mind of man, that is, after the things (''universalia post rem''). </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[w:Walter Heitler|Walter Heitler]]: ''Naturwissenschaft ist Geisteswissenschaft'', Die Waage, Zürich 1972</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[w:Walter Heitler|Walter Heitler]]: ''Naturwissenschaft ist Geisteswissenschaft'', Die Waage, Zürich 1972</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Rudolf Steiner]] has emphatically emphasised that the "ideas" are neither to be misunderstood in the Platonic sense as free-floating, disembodied entities nor in the Aristotelian-Thomistic sense as [[force]]s effective in [[thing]]s. Rather, they are a free creative product of the human spirit, which would not exist anywhere if man did not bring it to manifestation in his consciousness through his activity of cognition. Only this "[[creatio ex nihilo]]", the "[[creation out of nothing]]" is appropriate for the spirit, which is in no way to be regarded as an "existing" anywhere in the world. Rudolf Steiner also emphasised this creative character of cognition quite clearly in the outlook with which his "Welt- und Lebensanschauungen im neunzehnten Jahrhundert" (World and Life Views in the Nineteenth Century), published in 1900 and later expanded into "Die Rätsel der Philosophie in ihrer Geschichte als Umriss dargestellt" (GA 18), concludes:</ins></div></td></tr>
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